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 Post subject: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:14 pm 
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Well Its still a little early but I think the writing is on the wall DFO has screwed up big time! The numbers through the fence are around 1400 or so and Nogs and 'Fishing Guide' have both reported that the robertson fish are not in the sound. Just look at this graph provided by DFO:
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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:57 pm 
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Like you said, its still a little early, but this is ridiculous.
Cant wait to see what this graph is going to look like at the end of the month.


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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:13 am 
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Cheers All,

I am one who believes in giving everyone the opportunity to prove themselves so I am not jumping on this as 'it's not over until it's over'! However...IMHO...should this early indication prove to be established over the long run then someone should lose their job. You can be quite assured that I will be only one of many that will be requesting such!

Certainly clears up quite a bit of confusion about the Barkley Sound as the fishing was great and then stopped almost overnight. The early fishing was fish heading south and the lack of BS fish was the reason for the early and complete demise of the BS fishery.

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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:01 am 
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You can be as optimistic as you want, but the fish arent going to show up in those kinds of numbers. Ive fished that river this time of year for almost 20 years now and this is the ONLY year that I havent seen any springs holding or pushing by. DFO destroyed the run with rediculous openings plain and simple. Makes me sick to see such a disaster with my own eyes, and it all should have been avoided.


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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:26 am 
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FG you can be optimistic all you want and prolly good attitude so you dont get pissed off
How many chinooks did you get on your last ukee guide trip?
how many fish were weighed in for the port Derby out of how many anglers?

People need to change things and question BS crap like where they got the info to show increase from 47k to 57K
Same as the Province and the BS they pull each year

Hold them accountable for their action or before we know it we will be asking the fish farms if we can drop a line in one of their net pens soon as the salmon are gone we all might as well take up fly fishing in puddles for 2lb trout
Time for people to go to local SFAB meetings get involved and help out your resource
if you cant do that at least donate or volunteer to help hatcheries and fund riasers events such as the PSF
Who ever the lady is that allowed this increase should have a hundreds people standing out side her office to let her know she has made a mistake and a big mistake and they ask her to resign as she has no idea
Someone should be held accountable.

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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:41 am 
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Cheers All,

Thank you for your considered responses. Again...until the final numbers are in I will not jump. However...I do agree that IF those numbers are determined to be as bad as we believe they will be...then most definately someone not only should but must lose their job.

I will not judge until the count is done.

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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:22 am 
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Fishing Guide wrote:
Cheers All,

then most definately someone not only should but must lose their job.



A number of people suggest someone should lose their job. Great... then what? The salmon are going and someone losing their job will not bring them back. This is not just restricted to PA Chinook.


We need action in order to bring them back. We need an investment from government and industry and the sport fisherman to bring them back.

We need regulations/closures that basically say... "to hell with the economics close the fishery." This attempt at balancing all interests is resulting in no interests being served. I admit I do not make my living from fishing but the retention of a job for a few years is not worth risking the whole species or even the river run.

30 years ago the decline in fisheries was viewed as not an emergency because the decline was such that it would be a generation before things got critical. Why do it today when you can put it off to tomorrow?... well.. we are in the next generation... it is now tomorrow.... Words, firings, and platitudes from elected officials dont mean anything once the fish are gone.

But as sport fishermen it is incumbent on us to reach out with solutions not just "fire someone".


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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:37 am 
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Fishing Guide wrote:
Cheers All,

Thank you for your considered responses. Again...until the final numbers are in I will not jump. However...I do agree that IF those numbers are determined to be as bad as we believe they will be...then most definately someone not only should but must lose their job.

I will not judge until the count is done.

Might be a good place to start? ...meet your Minister?

Prior to her election to the House of Commons, Ms. Shea was a member of the Legislative Assembly of Prince Edward Island. She was first elected in April 2000 and was appointed to the provincial cabinet as Minister of Community and Cultural Affairs where she was responsible for the Status of Women, the Worker’s Compensation Board and the Island Waste Management Corporation. From 2002 to 2007, Ms. Shea served as Minister of Transportation and Public Works.

Prior to entering politics, Ms. Shea managed a small family business for 15 years.

Ms. Shea has long been active in her community. She served as vice-president and treasurer of Royal Canadian Legion Branch #6. She has also served as a school trustee and former president of the local Home and School Association. Ms. Shea’s long record of volunteerism includes involvement in her local community festival, sports teams and church. A passionate advocate for seniors, she has also run a tax preparation program for seniors.

Ms. Shea is married to Russell and has five children and seven grandchildren.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/minister-ministre/bio-eng.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:49 am 
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Accountant wrote:
...A number of people suggest someone should lose their job. Great... then what? The salmon are going and someone losing their job will not bring them back.


It's called "accountability". Methinks someone with your handle might understand that. :roll:

Unfortunately, the target will end up being the current Area Manager. And although he is the official "Lamb To The Slaughter" he is but little more than a rubber stamp to the Fools On The Hill in Kent Street. BUT, something HAS to be done. This type of "error" must be punished. And should that mean someone (or several someones) lose their job, then so be it. The message HAS to get sent: We will NOT tolerate the continued ABUSE of this resource at the hands of those who are supposed to be "managing" it! :evil:

Will that bring the salmon back? Of course not. What it will do is ensure that the next person that sits in the chair will take a moment to reflect on the possible ramifications of knee jerk reactions and serious over exploitations of the resource. As in Just Say No To Jimmy! :x

I gotta agree - time for Heads to ROLL!

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 Post subject: Re: Port Alberni Chinook Callapse
PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:55 am 
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WOW... what better way to "Cover Up" the "Fraser River Sockeye" issue! Not bad!!!!


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