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 Post subject: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:59 pm 
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2009 decisive for B.C. salmon


By D.C. Reid, Special to Times ColonistDecember 31, 2009



2009 may well go down in history as the tipping point for west coast salmon. Four scientists left the Department of Fisheries and Oceans -- one 'retired', two quit and one jumped to the Pacific Salmon Foundation. If the best and brightest can't take the political interference and lack of action, the DFO is policy bankrupt and moribund.

We do like hatcheries, volunteer restoration and school programs. But the largest part is bad. For starters, the DFO let the Fraser River sockeye collapse. Had Stephen Hume in the Vancouver Sun, and brother Mark Hume in the Globe not been documenting the problem, the DFO might have gotten away with doing nothing. But it didn't.

The DFO brought in a council, under judge Bruce Cohen to take off the heat. Don't hold your breath -- the final report is two years away. And don't think DFO will do anything. After all, the 2009 Auditor General's report lambasted their lack of action and 148 year failure on water pollution. DFO acknowledged its lack of action, but here's the clincher: the auditor general has been making the same recommendations in reports spanning a decade.

Then there is the damning evidence the DFO knew about the collapse two years before it happened. The 2007 Georgia St. Seine found a miniscule 159 fry from a massive 139 million Chilko/Quesnel output. Yet DFO came out with a 10 million estimate for 2009 only to see it come in more like one million. Were they surprised?

Then there was the minister in Norway, wooing more fish farmers to B.C. Minister Shea did this even though B.C. residents have been shouting about closed containment and effluent treatment for a decade. Oh, and an aquaculture lobby has sprung up in Ottawa. Hmm.

Then there was the fish farmers' "science." The gist is this: the Alberta sea lice research was funded by American salmon interests who want to put B.C. fish farmers out of business and sell their wild Alaska salmon into the vacated market. Here's the point: fish farmers like to claim any request for change is intended to put them out of business. But this is not so. All we have asked for is closed containment.

Then 40,000 Atlantics escaped in the Broughton Archipelago in October. Alexandra Morton, sea lice scientist, pointed out to Shea that 20,243 B.C. residents have signed her petition to eliminate the sea lice problem. And this includes pro bono lawyers for court cases, other costs paid by our dollars to prevent Atlantic eggs importing ISA virus into B.C. She continues to lay charges against the DFO under its own Fisheries Act for failure to act.

Then the most important casualty of this terrible malaise: the precautionary principle: lack of scientific evidence is not a reason to fail to take action to save wild salmon. The DFO lacks science because it doesn't fund it properly, but hides behind that lack, when it suits its purposes. And remember the Province's own figures show fish farming contributes only 2,100 jobs to our economy. And, at 0.2 per cent of GDP it can never be a major player in B.C. But we give up wild salmon, bears, etc.

Here's the good part: the December SFU think tank on salmon -- media reported the DFO instructed its scientists not to attend. Its own data show the Fraser sockeye collapse began 15 years ago. Former Fisheries Minister, John Fraser, said the DFO had the stats and it is incredible they did nothing. In part, the scientists left because the word in Ottawa was: why should we give you more funding for salmon research when there is no value in salmon?

No value in salmon? I think it will prove the moment people in B.C. began realizing it is up to us and our organizations to save the salmon.

dcreid@catchsalmonbc.com


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:07 pm 
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If there's one person associated with fishing in BC that I have no time for it's that flake.


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:24 pm 
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Cheers Whalebreath,

Could you elaborate on why you think he's a flake? I try and keep abreast of the happenings in fisheries and D.C. Reid has provided many articles outlining the state of fishing in B.C.


Thank you in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:46 pm 
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Agreed he has had some goon arcticles


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:40 pm 
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For the most part his articles are junk/nonsense and worse he's a literary kleptomaniac.

The article as linked is just a rewrite of people's thoughts off sites like this one, Sportfishing BC and FWR, there is nothing original in it at all.

This is someone who know so little he thinks Bucktailing is using a Bucktail behind a flasher!

In the same book he talks about boats trolling along doing an oval (like in Alberni Canal) and how he likes to cut straight across in front of others instead of completing the circuit , that is just plain rude/stupid and if you interfere with someone hooked up to a fish could result in a cannonball through your windshield or a bloody nose on the dock.


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:01 am 
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Though i find dc reids approch to be a little different at times, I feel that i agree with the idea that we as users are the ones who need to get involved .I have seen most areas of our fishing industries sports and comercial and the gross mismanagement points to either a lack of understanding at best , or as with the fish farms at worst bribes and corruption. Putting down MR Reid will not help with our fisheries dilemas but just fearther help to continue to devied and cloud needed focus on all these issues . If we work in possitive ways i feel we can be more affective . try writeing your members of parliment with your concerns and get others to do the same .If the government believes [at some level] that our fish are lacking enough monetary value to be a high priority to them we need to send a clear message. That it is an unwelcome attitude and that our votes will be reflecting it. :evil: :x .


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:44 pm 
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Cheers Whalesbreath,

I am not sure which part of this article is junk or nonsense and, if you would point out such, I would be appreciative. While it is true that a lot of the information posted online is a rehash of previously posted information, I would would query if there, in fact, is any 'original thought' left to be uncovered.

Indeed we, as fisherman, tend to go with tried and proven. We 'reuse' other fishermans ideas all the time and, in fact, this site is in existance due to the information we gather to enhance our own fishing experiences. As for literary kleptomania I would, for one, argue that the intention is also important and, from my perspective, it does seem he is advocating for common sense and environmental cause. I also don't think that having polished or perfect literary skills are a prerequisite for advocacy. Nor for being a good fisherman.

And...this may come as a surprise but...gasp...I have been known to throw on a bucktail behind a flasher. Not quite sure what you would call it but I would not get bent out of shape if someone called it 'bucktailing'. Not what one would call the traditional 'bucktailing' but ... life is too short to cast such small stones. I do know that the fish caught in such a fashion, nor the fisherman managing the equipement, really cared one way or t'other.

Again...you definately have me at a disadvantage as I have not read his book (I will put it on my list of things to do). However, if he is advocating such poor choices as cutting in front of other boats or going against the flow one might suggest that education would be a better solution. It would be a very unusual situation if anyone on this site has not encountered other fisherman who have offended in such fashion. However we have all have a choice on how we respond and I - for one - will not go to war, let alone begin throwing punches nor cannoballs over such trivial matters. A fish is simply not worth physical confrontations. I believe either education or simply moving to a 'better' spot is a much more attractive solution. IMHO

Finally, I must ask again, what in this article was fundamentally flawed or inaccurate so as to be counterproductive? I also thank you in advance for your input for it is through communication and co-operation that we will enhance our fishing opportunities and experiences.

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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:39 pm 
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Fishing Guide wrote:
....I must ask again, what in this article was fundamentally flawed or inaccurate so as to be counterproductive? I also thank you in advance for your input for it is through communication and co-operation that we will enhance our fishing opportunities and experiences.

I answered your question already.

Hack job/rewrite don't begin to describe the mess; critical analysis, original thought, unique and insightful commentary of any kind are completely lacking.


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:51 pm 
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Also-any one of us might run a Bucktail behind a flasher but that's not Bucktailing.

We all know that Bucktailing is dragging a Bucktail (or Polar Bear hair fly) behind the boat on the surface generally but not always unweighted-not behind a flasher on the downrigger.

To publish a book that says otherwise isn't the act of a competent or knowledgeable author, quite the opposite in fact.


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 Post subject: Re: DC Reid Rant
PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:58 pm 
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Not going to get into the technical merits of Reid's fishing ability, but he does have access through his column to the 'general' public.
As such it is good to see him raising the alarm, although he is not exactly in the vanguard with this column. I think he's done this approach - berating DFO - before, maybe this is what you write when you need some filler.

MM probably posted it for those of us who don't get the TC to see what is being printed.

Thanks MM


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