Thanks Ken, I am running 3 lines, 2 on the port side and 1 on starbaord. port lines are ~5' above ball and 30' above that, starboard ball splits the 2 therefore I've got a 30' spread covered every 15'. Hootchie with 40# ultragreen, lengths per my original post. I've used black hooks, red gami's...... if i can get them to strike..... beginning to think it's me! As for travelling north...well I'm sure you know my story on that one

and there have been so many fish down in the CR area. Talk with you in a couple of weeks, thanks
Thanks everyone for the thoughts...I'll give it another go this weekend in CR.